E45: The Hoax of the Century, Hybrid Warfare, Iran, and Israel with Jacob Siegel

Dan Romero, Erik Torenberg and Antonio Garcia Martinez are joined by journalist Jacob Siegel to discuss disinformation, the evolving narrative between tech and political power, and geopolitics. This episode was recorded on October 1st, before Hamas' attack on Israel. If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. – SPONSORS: BEEHIIV | SHOPIFY | VANTA | NETSUITE Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months. SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/momentofzen for a $1/month trial period Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US. And Shopify’s the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy’s, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries. From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you’re selling, Shopify’s got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/momentofzen Are you building a business? If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta. Achieving compliance can actually unlock major growth for your company and build customer loyalty. Vanta automates up to 90% of Compliance work, getting you audit-ready in weeks instead of months and saving 85% of associated costs. Moment of Zen listeners get $1000 off at: https://www.vanta.com/zen NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you’re looking for an ERP platform head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen and download your own customized KPI checklist. – Sign up for our newsletter to receive the full shownotes: https://momentofzen.substack.com/ – X / TWITTER: @jacob__siegel (Jacob) @dwr (Dan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @antoniogm (Antonio) @moz_podcast @TurpentineMedia – TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (01:48) Jacob on Balaji’s Gray - Red - Blue tribe framework (03:38) How to make the Gray tribe inspiring (06:30) E/acc and tech with grandeur (08:27) Abundance agenda vs administrative state (14:20) Bernie Sanders (15:55) Sponsors: Vanta | NetSuite (18:10) Elon Musk relationship with Obama-era Whitehouse (22:28) Private markets vs Government subsidized innovation (24:00) Ideal balance between protectionist policies and free markets (29:45) Jacob on Israel over-leveraging its tech sector (36:00) Tracing the narrative of tech and democratic political power (42:30) Hybrid warfare since 2014 (46:20) Antonio joins the conversation (51:00) Gamergate as a pivotal event (01:03:00) Plato’s cave reflections of American domestic political neurosis (01:08:40) Ukraine, Russia, and Biden’s strategic logic (01:18:30) Can there be a happy ending in Israel? (01:24:00) The threat of Iran (01:34:30) US should end the Israeli Subsidy (01:45:00)The fight over the soul of the nation (01:51:00) Predicting the future of Israel in 30-40 years