Jordan O'Brien
30 with Guyon Espiner - A podcast by RNZ - Wednesdays

NZ soldier, Jordan O'Brien, on what its like to be hunted by swarms of heat seeking drones. Plus, the brutal tactics Russia uses to recruit more soldiers and what Ukrainians think of recent peace talks.Watch the video version of this episode hereGo to this episode on rnz.co.nz for more details